My telekinesis ability & James Randi’s million dollars

The James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF) has hosted the One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge for many years. All you have to do is demonstrate a paranormal ability under strict test conditions. To date, no one has ever claimed the prize. Proof that psychic abilities, such as telekinesis, are fraudulent or self-delusional? Here are my thoughts.

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29 thoughts on “My telekinesis ability & James Randi’s million dollars

  1. Robert Paulsim says:

    Hey darryl, found your site at last..
    You have summed up EXACLY my thoughts about JRE. If you dig more you will find that the “money” is in bonds… yeah…. does not exists. The guys at psipog were in
    the process of trying out when they saw the scam.

    Oh, BTW, i finished my reading on the David Icke “Matrix” book that is ENTIRELLY about reptoids. Im sold, but mostly because of personal reasons… the similiraty of denying TK
    and denying reps flagged something on my ideas.. Be talking to you soon…
    major things going on… 😉

    RP

  2. Jason says:

    dead darryl, it’s me (the 10000-dollar-offering mvordu from youtube) again. i wanted to ask you, what you mean by saying “i’m doing the experiments, you are not!”? i mean…first: i HAVE done experiments, i’ve tried to spin the wheel myself many times just to see, what it would take to move it and if it moves, what would cause it (nothing has moved yet). so i HAVE done experiments. second: this is NOT the way, experimenting goes. maybe you really don’t know it, but in the real world a person, who claims something positive (this or that exists) must prove his words. it is so, because it’s impossible to prove negative claim (this or that does not exist). so, if anybody claims, that he has paranormal abilities such as telekinetic powers, he should prove it and i hope, that at least deep in your mind you understand, that a video in youtube does not count as proof. that is why i offered you 10000 USD for demonstrating these powers in front of me.

    speaking on randi’s challenge: you claim, that it is impossible to win it because randi does not believe telekinesis? why so? randi sure doesn’t believe telekinesis but you still have this power and supposedly can spin the wheel. so how does randis disbelief act on your performance? does his disbelief have a certain distance of action? i mean, that if he is near, your powers will dissapear? in that case randis contract allows you to demand that he is not present on the test.

    or do you believe, that if you show the genuine paranormal powers on the test, randi says that this is just a hoax and refuses to pay? well, for this kind of suspicions there are always several cameras, that record all the actions in different angles. and for this case there is an agreement, where both parties describe, what you will do and in what conditions will it take place. as far as i know, there are 3 possible ways to form controlled conditions for this kind of experiment. 1) the wheel is sealed under a bowl and it is made sure, there is no airflow under it’s edges or 2) there is no bowl – just feathers dropped around the wheel that should indicate if you blow on it or not or 3) you wear an airproof mask.

    of course i dont talk for randi although we know each other but these are the first 3 ways i would consider to be my tests “controlled conditions”. and if you spin the wheel under these conditions i dont see any possible ways to deny your powers. moreover there will be more witnesses that just you and me/randi and everything will be recorded with many cameras to be sure that there are evidences.

    so, tell me, WHAT exactly is STILL your problem with the test?

  3. Jason says:

    “If you dig more you will find that the “money” is in bonds… yeah…. does not exists.”

    http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-faq.html says:

    “The JREF is a ‘tax exempt’ organization, so they are required by law to have a level of financial transparency. That means that the public can request things like an annual report and copies of JREF’s 990 (the tax return non-profits file). Go to http://tfcny.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/esearch.php (search for Randi, 2005 is here.) to look up JREF’s 990. Contained within these types of documents is enough information to verify that the organization does indeed have special assets in a reserved account to cover the prize, should it ever be won. The contract between the claimant and JREF is binding enough that the JREF must pay the prize if someone wins it. This is a published, legal obligation, not just a casual offer. We have no choice in the matter. As a savvy applicant, all you need to do is verify that the organization has the funds to cover the prize. Also, if JREF were not able to hold up its end of the bargain, the IRS would investigate and pull the JREF’s tax exempt status. It would mean severe penalties for the JREF, and Randi himself would also be personally liable and subject to potential incarceration. Rest assured: The money is there.”

    what should we conclude of that?
    1) probably the money IS there.
    2) there is no big difference, if the money is in a suitcase or in bonds.
    3) we can check the existence of money officially.
    4) if there is no money, it is still not a big problem because
    a) as far as i have heard, the “real psychics” aren’t really interested in money 😉
    b) the most important thing here is even not the money but showing the skeptics, who
    is right and who is wrong and proving the existence of paranormal powers.
    5) if there really happens to be a psychic in existence, who just happens to be interested in money, then he has an official contract, signed by him and randi and if randi wont pay him million dollars, the psychic should just go to court. this scenario is even better, because media picks it up and it shows the whole world, that psychic are real and randi is just a liar.

    so, what’s the problem?

  4. Chris says:

    Jason,

    it’s impossible to prove negative claim

    If a person who claims something positive must prove his words, then I’d like to ask you to prove your positive statement above.

    everything will be recorded with many cameras to be sure that there are evidences.

    Well, Darryl is recording his abilities with a camera. Does that not count as evidence also? All the other conditions you wish to impose upon any demonstration of TK are essentially worthless for “proving” to the community at large that TK is real. The prevailing attitude of skeptics is, “Oh, if I don’t see it for myself, then I won’t believe it,” and then, even if they do see it for themselves, the experiment won’t meet their standards. This is something known as disconfirmation bias.

  5. Darryl Sloan says:

    Jason,

    “it’s me (the 10000-dollar-offering mvordu from youtube) again. i wanted to ask you, what you mean by saying “i’m doing the experiments, you are not!”? i mean…”

    It’s not directed at you personally, but the general consensus of skeptical responses I’ve received. People are happy to call it convection and walk away without doing any tests to verify it’s convection. As long as they propose a theory that fits their current materialism paradigm, they generally don’t seem to care whether the theory actually fits the results. Skeptic attribute the most outlandish abilities to the force of convection, and never test them.

    It reveals something – that they are not after a truthful answer, only after whatever will confirm their current views.

    Now, as for your 10,000 dollars, I’ve told you why I won’t do it. I don’t respond to a dangling carrot like a donkey, especially one dangled from as far away as Estonia and from a complete stranger. I’ve also presented an alternative to you, which is what I’ve always suggested from the beginning to watchers of my videos: prove it to yourself by doing it for yourself.

    This is not a “paranormal power,” as you seem to think I believe. If you even took the time to watch my tutorial video, I explain that I don’t believe in the paranormal, and that TK is something that is simply not understood. When the apparently paranormal is understood it ceases to be paranormal. This could be as simple as the concscious control of the body’s electromagnetism. Or it could be more occult in nature, involving chakras and kundalini energy.

    If I’m a fraud, why would I encourage you to dedicate time and energy to this? That’s where your proof lies. Put your money back in your pocket; I don’t want it. If you want proof of TK, get off your backside and put some detemination into achieving it for yourself. It’s not actually that hard to get small results in little time, as many who have tried can attest. For instance, take a broad sweep over the comments on my tutorial video.

  6. Rodrigo Groff says:

    I know, from experience, that when you try to show TK (not in camera) for a friend or two, something “gets in the way”. Im not stating beliefs here, just the facts.

    If you can move 4 or even 7 psiwheels simultaneously you will find that when you show to
    someone else (a skeptic or a close person to you in which you want to share it with something of a anxious state) it will be almost like the first time you discovered it. HARD.

    A good friend of mine call this “doubt projection” and he states that with 4 people you cant move a single psiwheel without scratching your head and call “funny thing this is…”.

    So, with a experiecend TK´er is difficult to show it live for FRIENDS, imagine for skeptics.
    Now, imagine what takes to a SKEPTIC is to perform alone, never stopping projecting his
    doubt.

    Thats why skeptics remains skeptics. 😉

    My current theory revolves around “exposing time”, or “reading time” to gently diminish
    your mind defenses.

    Jason, took me a month or so to move the psiwheel. Try the pendulum first on your hand, is
    way more easy, is much much stronger and will demolish your mind self-defense unit.

    😉

  7. Jason says:

    ““it’s impossible to prove negative claim”

    If a person who claims something positive must prove his words, then I’d like to ask you to prove your positive statement above.”

    even if there probably may be some certain negative claims, that can be proved, i can explain you, why proving negative is generally impossible. for example: i claim, that there is no ghosts. how could i prove it? i may take you to a graveyard at midnight and show you, there is no haunting stuff around. ok, maybe it haunts on some other graveyard? let’s go there. there is also no ghosts around. maybe it’s the wrong time? well, let’s stick around a little longer. still nothing? maybe the wrong day? lets come here every day. still nothing? maybe they’re hiding from us? let’s put up some hidden cameras. still nothing. maybe the cameras don’t see the “correct frequency”? let’s use cameras, that record all available diapasons of light from UV to IR. still nothing? maybe radio frequencies? let’s use EM-detectors and other cool gadgets to detect their presence. still nothing? maybe they exists on some other planet or in the other dimensions or they are just too smart to be found? well, and from here on we can say, that we couldn’t find any ghost with any known device at any graveyard at any time and day but we still can’t say, they don’t exist, because every time there is some explanation, when, how or where they may exist. the only thing we may say, that on this time and in this graveyard there is no ghosts that could be detected with any equipment known to mankind.

    now about telekinesis: darryl tells us, he has this power. i try it myself and find, that the wheel wont spin. did i prove, there is no telekinesis in existence? no, i proved, that i don’t have this power. i may also prove, that my wife doesn’t have it, my friends, my son and sister doesn’t have it. even if i test darryl and find no powers, thet certainly doesnt prove, that there is no such thing as telekinesis. it just proves, that darryl doesnt have it. even though, it is theoretically possible to test all the human kind for those powers, even this wouldn’t prove that no human has that power because maybe someone had it in the past or will have it in future. or if tu presume, that NO human ever had and will not have, then maybe some animal has it. or maybe some other race on some other planet or in some other dimensions or what ever.

    so i CAN’T prove these negative claims. and after all these testings best i can conclude, is, that *most probably* there is no such thing as telekinesis.
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    ““everything will be recorded with many cameras to be sure that there are evidences.”

    Well, Darryl is recording his abilities with a camera. Does that not count as evidence also?”

    no, it does not. steven spielberg also record all his films with a lot of cameras but there is pretty few people, who believe, that darth wader and light sabres are real. i want to say, that darryl is biased person and quoting carl sagan: “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidences.” we may argue about the essence of those “extraordinary evidences” for a long time but one is sure: such a video is certainly NOT an evidence because anybody can fake it very easily.

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    “The prevailing attitude of skeptics is, “Oh, if I don’t see it for myself, then I won’t believe it,” and then, even if they do see it for themselves, the experiment won’t meet their standards. This is something known as disconfirmation bias.”

    there is ONE big problem: i haven’t seen an atom or electron with my eyes and i doubt, anyone other ever has. still i dont doubt in the existence of atoms and electrons. or lets say, that i haven’t seen australia with my own eyes. but still we have a lot of reliable information about australia being in existence. about paranormal powers i dont know ANY reliable witness, who has seen it and to whom i may rely believing into its existence. there is even worse problem: almost ALL evidences of paranormal powers originate from persons who aren’t exactly the most trustworthy people. some are mentally ill, some are well-known hoaxers etc. and ALL the evidences come in the form of videos, photos, forum postings, descriptions on some web-page or something like that. so there is NOTHING wrong with me not believing some lousy video in youtube.

    and besides – what is bad about my offering of money for demonstration? at least it is a good deed for all mankind 😉

  8. Jason says:

    “People are happy to call it convection and walk away without doing any tests to verify it’s convection. As long as they propose a theory that fits their current materialism paradigm, they generally don’t seem to care whether the theory actually fits the results. Skeptic attribute the most outlandish abilities to the force of convection, and never test them.”

    you are as wrong, as ever possible. of course skeptics have done experiments showing, what are the possible explanations to those videos. one skeptic even made his own anonymous hoax videos of the same wheel-spinning and posted them on the internet, claiming, that this is the most real deal, you ever get. i think, this is it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NwRfMJgOQ “professional” believers where all applauding and cheering over an epic win over skeptics. skeptics also tried to explain, what was going on. unfortunately no-one could give the real explanation of how this trick was performed. finally the author of video confessed, it’s a hoax and explained everything. there was no convection, no magnets, no hidden motors or something like that, everything was made with some tiny holes and air pipes. i don’t even remember, how it was exactly prepared, if you’re interested, you may search for it in the internet.

    so there are certainly a lot of researches, how those videos may have been done but it is inevitable to examine every such video, if possible. i cant tell, how you do it or what makes the wheel spin if i don’t see you doing it IRL. this demands excluding all known causes and influences. if you don’t understand this, i feel sorry for you for certain reasons i can’t tell without being unpolite…
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    “It reveals something – that they are not after a truthful answer, only after whatever will confirm their current views.”

    you are wrong again. most skeptics are science-minded persons, who are very aware, that science doesn’t work this way. there are not such current-view-dogmas in science, that deny everything new. science IS all about finding something new and different and if something new in principle is found, it has to be proven (but not with videos in youtube).
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    “Now, as for your 10,000 dollars, I’ve told you why I won’t do it. I don’t respond to a dangling carrot like a donkey, especially one dangled from as far away as Estonia and from a complete stranger. I’ve also presented an alternative to you, which is what I’ve always suggested from the beginning to watchers of my videos: prove it to yourself by doing it for yourself.

    this is certainly a very good and well-founded excuse to fools but well, maybe this, probably in ireland or scotland (judging for accent) dangling telekinetic pickle responds to some local skeptics, that are more close to you? maybe those: http://www.skeptics.org.uk/ or if you “don’t know” them, maybe you know james randi better. of course he is not very close but he is well better known and million dollars vs 10k dollars is one darn good argument 😉

    but hold on! i might get closer to you! what about i come to you? in this case we agree upon that if no telekinesis is demonstrated, you just pay my expenses 🙂

    but i still personally think, you’re just searching for excuses not to accept the challenge cause you probably know, you’re telekinesis is some sort of hoax. i have tested several persons here, who had no problems, that i’m a stranger or i live in the other end of our country. THEY believed in their powers and came to test them. of course the result was a disappointment for them but at least they showed up… so much about your courage…
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    “This is not a “paranormal power,” as you seem to think I believe. If you even took the time to watch my tutorial video, I explain that I don’t believe in the paranormal, and that TK is something that is simply not understood.”

    well, let’s say i accept it to be absolutely non-paranormal. there is no difference how you call it – paranormal, normal or grandmother muriel. i just want to see it and isn’t it great to get 10K dollars from some guy for showing him an absolutely normal event?
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    “When the apparently paranormal is understood it ceases to be paranormal.”

    so it still IS paranormal, as you just told, that “TK is something that is simply not understood”. dear darryl, try not to lose simple logic.
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    “This could be as simple as the concscious control of the body’s electromagnetism.”

    so…conscious control of your body’s electromagnetism is also very simple to you?
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    “If I’m a fraud, why would I encourage you to dedicate time and energy to this?”

    because as long as you refuse to demonstrate it to me personally, you may talk whatever BS.
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    “That’s where your proof lies.”

    sorry, i cant still see any wheel spinning in front of my eyes 😦
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    “If you want proof of TK, get off your backside and put some detemination into achieving it for yourself.”

    this was a very silly thing to say – that is something about proving the negative claim and you may read of it from my previous post.
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    “It’s not actually that hard to get small results in little time, as many who have tried can attest. For instance, take a broad sweep over the comments on my tutorial video.”

    as far as i can say, i have seen about 10 totally devoted guys trying to get even the slightest movement from the wheel or feather hanging by a string. if you say, that they weren’t trying enough, the there are two possibilities:
    a) you are a fraud and you lie about trying hard enough or
    b) you have definitely paranormal powers.
    i’d just like to find out, is a or is it b 😉

  9. Jason says:

    no need to publish this comment!

    PS! i have one older comment “awaiting moderation” – January 6, 2010 at 8:50 am. did you forget or are you ignoring it? it i important to know because if you support censorship over freedom of speech, i would prefer not to write here any more.

  10. Chris says:

    Jason,

    so i CAN’T prove these negative claims. and after all these testings best i can conclude, is, that *most probably* there is no such thing as telekinesis.

    But the same is true for non-negative claims. If you were to tell me that there was an invisible elephant sitting on your head, could you prove it? No, not definitively. All you could hope to do is amass evidence for your claim, and present it to me in the hope that I would be convinced. The same is true for real scientific theories, such as Chandrasekhar’s theories of stellar dynamics and radiative transfer. So, this belief of yours that non-negative claims are more provable than negative claims is nonsense.

    such a video is certainly NOT an evidence because anybody can fake it very easily.

    Right, but even a before-your-eyes demonstration of TK could be a very elaborate deception. Skeptics like yourself are stuck in a mental loop of infinite regress when it comes to stuff like TK, God, or anything else that does not appeal to you. If good arguments or evidence is submitted in favor of something you do not want to believe, then there are an infinite number of ways to reject those arguments and evidence. Again, this is a recognized psychological phenomenon called disconfirmation bias.

    almost ALL evidences of paranormal powers originate from persons who aren’t exactly the most trustworthy people. some are mentally ill, some are well-known hoaxers etc. and ALL the evidences come in the form of videos, photos, forum postings, descriptions on some web-page or something like that. so there is NOTHING wrong with me not believing some lousy video in youtube.

    I can’t disagree with you here, but I will observe that you do not seem to want to discern the hoax from the genuine.

    I have no reason to believe that Darryl is a hoaxer or mentally ill. I have known the guy personally for over 17 years, and I can vouch for the fact that he’s not producing these TK videos to mislead people. I believe that his TK experiments are genuine, even though I don’t agree with his conclusions about them or his theories regarding their cause. And I’m not saying any of this just because I’m his friend — read through many of my comments elsewhere on his blog, I’m actually one of Darryl’s biggest critics in other areas (which has put my friendship with him on the rocks).

    So, yes, be skeptical and look out for hoaxes, but don’t be so skeptical that you overlook the genuine.

  11. Darryl Sloan says:

    Jason,

    I’m not interested in participate in any form of “debunking contest”, either here or abroad, for the simple reason that a contest and a scientific investigation are not the same thing, as I’ve explained ad nauseum.

    All the skeptics who have called me a fraud have conveniently turned a blind eye to the fact that I said I stated in my video that I was was completely willing to engage in experiments with real scientist. The problem is that they have decided that only the JREF contest will do.

    All of the disdain leveled at me has been based on false assumptions about me – snap judgements that could easily be cleared up if people took the time to watch my whole TK playlist and listen to what I say.

    I explain that I have no “paranormal power”, that the “paranormal” is merely the undiscovered normal in disguise, and I explain that videos (including mine) cannot constitute proof. I am merely doing my own investigation and sharing my results with whoever’s interested.

    You would think I had committed the unpardonable sin by merely doing some personal experiments on the fringes of science and documenting them on video.

    All the time I am acccused of claiming to have a special power, claiming that my videos are proof of telekinesis. All claims that others merely project on to me.

    I’m not interested in proving this you. If you don’t think my videos warrant your consideration, fine, that’s entirely up to you. But I am done listening to you go on about your contest. You have expressed a personal agenda along the same lines as Randi, and I’m not interested in subjecting myself to that. Scientific truth does not begin and end with competitions and prizes.

  12. Jason says:

    “But the same is true for non-negative claims. If you were to tell me that there was an invisible elephant sitting on your head, could you prove it? No, not definitively.”

    yes, but that’s the point – you can’t prove things, that don’t exist. is there anything wrong with that?
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    “All you could hope to do is amass evidence for your claim, and present it to me in the hope that I would be convinced.”

    actually, this is what YOU tend to do – you produce a bunch of videos, books, web-pages and then wait for us to believe in paranormal stuff.
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    “The same is true for real scientific theories, such as Chandrasekhar’s theories of stellar dynamics and radiative transfer. So, this belief of yours that non-negative claims are more provable than negative claims is nonsense.”

    scientific theory is a method to explain facts – things, that are obvious and proven. best known is theory of evolution – it doesn’t mean, that evolution is a theory (hypothesis) but it explains, how evolution (a fact) happens. scientific theories are in a constant change, when there is made a new discovery that gives us some new knowledge, some current ST may be adjusted but probably not overthrown, because ST relies on FACTS. of course – the way, how we interpret those facts may not be most exact so new facts give us more information to adjust the certain ST.

    so ST does not base on someones crazy ideas, that everybody else just has to believe. science is absolutely opposite to believing. everything in science is based on proven knowledge. well, of course, there ARE some hypothetical theories too, like wormholes and stuff like but even if it bases on certain proven knowledge and mathematical equations, nobody with common sense tells you, that wormholes are certainly possible to create.
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    ““such a video is certainly NOT an evidence because anybody can fake it very easily.”

    Right, but even a before-your-eyes demonstration of TK could be a very elaborate deception. Skeptics like yourself are stuck in a mental loop of infinite regress when it comes to stuff like TK, God, or anything else that does not appeal to you. If good arguments or evidence is submitted in favor of something you do not want to believe, then there are an infinite number of ways to reject those arguments and evidence. Again, this is a recognized psychological phenomenon called disconfirmation bias.”

    this all may apply to some kind of pig-headed professional denialist, who doesn’t want to discover new things. i’m not that kind. of course, it doesn’t mean, i must believe into the existence of these things. if i believe, i’m not motivated to research the proofs. but if i’m skeptical of some thing and i’m faced with pretty hard evidences, i start looking for hard evidences. i must remind you, that skeptic is not a denier but doubter.
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    “I can’t disagree with you here, but I will observe that you do not seem to want to discern the hoax from the genuine.”

    i hope you find it impossible to blame me if i say, that i haven’t seen anything in darryls videos, that could tell, he’s genuine. moreover – he’s dodging from test does not raise his credibility.

    there is a thing called scientific method that is used to tell the difference between hoax and real deal. and in this case it may be called an open experiment/test.
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    “I have no reason to believe that Darryl is a hoaxer or mentally ill.”

    i do not either. but i have studied these cases for years and besides mental illness and hoaxes there is a thing called misconception what means, that a sincere and honest person is disorientated by his premature perceptions: he believes into TK, tries it, wheel moves and he is convinced, dismissing all other, more possible or reasonable explanations. that is also a reason, why science does not rely on single experiments made by only one person. there may be mistakes made in preparations, measuring, interpretations etc. and also it may be a hoax.
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    “I have known the guy personally for over 17 years, and I can vouch for the fact that he’s not producing these TK videos to mislead people.”

    this is a classical fallacy: arguments from authority carry little weight — “authorities” have made mistakes in the past. they will do so again in the future. (a lot of educating reading: http://jennifersaylor.wordpress.com/2006/07/28/carl-sagans-baloney-detector/).
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    “I believe that his TK experiments are genuine, even though I don’t agree with his conclusions about them or his theories regarding their cause.”

    i too believe, experiments are genuine although i don’t believe the results are positive. and i must remind you, that at this moment there is no need for explanations of what happened. right now it is most important to localize the supposedly paranormal event and prove it’s existence. afterward we have a lot of time to find suitable explanations.

  13. Jason says:

    “I’m not interested in participate in any form of “debunking contest”, either here or abroad, for the simple reason that a contest and a scientific investigation are not the same thing, as I’ve explained ad nauseum.”

    you may have been explained a lot, but first you should explain, why you think, this is a contest? who is your competitor? moreover – this is not a debunking contest. debunkers are looking for mistakes and obvious fallacies in your videos and pointing them out. i have no time to do such stuff. i’m a very straight man and i don’t care of your mistakes. all i ask is a genuine demonstration. if you have a power (as you’re sure you have), then there may not happen any debunking at all. then it is proving “contest”. the only one, who can debunk you dealing with me is you, failing the test. as you seem to be scared of debunking, i have my thoughts about it…
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    “All the skeptics who have called me a fraud have conveniently turned a blind eye to the fact that I said I stated in my video that I was was completely willing to engage in experiments with real scientist. The problem is that they have decided that only the JREF contest will do.”

    there may be this problem with some scientists, i admit it. as you know, science discarded these thing already a century ago and nowadays they just don’t want to mess with every claimant. it is like with perpetum mobile – scientists stopped looking at schematics already in the end of 18. century. it was accounted to be a waste of valuable time. but regardless of that even today different academies receive a whole bunch of perpetum mobile schematics every year. my friend was working in Tartu physics institute and he collected these. he had been working there just 5-6 years but he had already around 100 blueprints. and there are only 100 000 residents in Tartu… so i hope you understand, why most scientist dont want to hear of you before some prestigious skeptic hasn’t approved you. but this is actually not a big problem. i happen to have a very nice and para-friendly friend, who is a physics professor in tartu university and i’m more than sure, he would like to talk to you face to face. besides i know another scientist, who is interested in these things and he is the member of estonian academy of science. i may ask him too. it would be very important because randy wont accept your claims if some scientist don’t back you.
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    “All of the disdain leveled at me has been based on false assumptions about me – snap judgements that could easily be cleared up if people took the time to watch my whole TK playlist and listen to what I say.”

    you should understand, that at this moment there is absolutely no difference, what you say (if you don’t say somewhere, that this is all a hoax), because you have claimed to obtain telekinetic powers. that’s the only thing, that matters now. any explanation or whatever mumbo-jumbo (except you testimony, that it is a hoax) is totally insignificant until the existence of this power has been proven.
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    “I explain that I have no “paranormal power”, that the “paranormal” is merely the undiscovered normal in disguise, and I explain that videos (including mine) cannot constitute proof. I am merely doing my own investigation and sharing my results with whoever’s interested.”

    excuse, but this is a grand BS! i’ve told you here and in youtube like hundred times, that it doesn’t matter, if you call this normal or paranormal. the only thing, that matters is, that by recent knowledge humans should not have this sort of ability. and that’s it. so please stop this normal vs paranormal jabber.
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    “You would think I had committed the unpardonable sin by merely doing some personal experiments on the fringes of science and documenting them on video.”

    no, but before you appear with such a break-through conclusions, you should certainly consult with real scientists and if it hasn’t came to your mind for some weird reason, you really shouldn’t turn your back, if someone himself comes to ask for a demonstration. so, the problem is, that you claim extraordinary things, that you cant prove and me myself am distracted of this, because it feeds the senseless belief of silly, simple-minded and naive people. you are taking advantage of them and abusing their trust by giving them false hope. and THIS is a sin.
    ________________
    “I’m not interested in proving this you. If you don’t think my videos warrant your consideration, fine, that’s entirely up to you. But I am done listening to you go on about your contest. You have expressed a personal agenda along the same lines as Randi, and I’m not interested in subjecting myself to that. Scientific truth does not begin and end with competitions and prizes.”

    as i told you, there is no competition but just merely a standing for your own claims and helping scientists discover something radically new and revolutionary. if there is a material prize for that – what can be bad about it? if you don’t like it, donate it to some orphanage or leave it to me/randy to help us find next person with powers…

  14. Chris says:

    Jason,

    yes, but that’s the point – you can’t prove things, that don’t exist. is there anything wrong with that?

    No, I agree with you. But what I’m saying is that we are able to prove negative claims in the same manner that we are able to prove non-negative claims. Every hypothesis which posits a truth claim is able to be argued for or against, and evidence gathered for or against. In your original comment you said:

    a person, who claims something positive (this or that exists) must prove his words. it is so, because it’s impossible to prove negative claim (this or that does not exist).

    This is wrong because “negative claims,” as you call them, are still ‘positive’ in the strict sense of the word, i.e., a formally laid down truth claim, and are just as susceptible to the burden of proof as what you call “positive claims.”

    In your original comment, you were trying to use this misconception to push the burden of proof over to Darryl when, in fact, Darryl is right: if you think TK is false, then you must do the experiments or find some other way to prove your claim. Darryl, for as much as he is able, is doing experiments and documenting them on video to back up his claims. You, however, are not (as far as I can tell), which makes you nothing other than a dogmatic denier.

    science is absolutely opposite to believing. everything in science is based on proven knowledge.

    Nonsense. Science is based on the philosophical premise that truth is knowable from empirical observation of reality. There is no way to prove that statement. You either believe it and do scientific experiments, or you don’t believe it and go work at McDonald’s.

    there is a thing called scientific method that is used to tell the difference between hoax and real deal. and in this case it may be called an open experiment/test.

    Friend, have you actually taken the time to watch some of Darryl’s older TK videos wherein he sets up controls, eliminates independent variables, and shows reproducibility many times, even in a sealed environment (i.e., the inverted glass bowl)? What exactly do you think the term “scientific method” actually means?

    this is a classical fallacy: arguments from authority carry little weight

    Oh come on! I wasn’t arguing from authority, I was giving the man a character reference. You’re free to put weight on it or not, but I’d hardly be willing to do such a thing if I thought Darryl really was a hoaxer — I would have nothing to gain from it except a bad reputation for helping perpetuate a hoax.

    i too believe, experiments are genuine although i don’t believe the results are positive. and i must remind you, that at this moment there is no need for explanations of what happened. right now it is most important to localize the supposedly paranormal event and prove it’s existence.

    By all reasonable standards, I think Darryl has demonstrated that something is actually happening, even after excluding many of the typical objections related to natural causes. That does not seem to be enough for you, however. If videos can be faked, so can before-your-eyes demonstrations. What matters most is elimination of independent variables, control of conditions, and demonstration of subsequent REPRODUCIBILITY, and this is what Darryl is doing. The level of skepticism and doubt that you are exhibiting is bordering on the irrational.

  15. Darryl Sloan says:

    Jason,

    I’m sorry, but I am getting totally mixed signals from you. Sometimes you appear to be respectful and willing to engage me on the basis that I’m doing a basically honest though possibly deluded experiment. Then at other times you appear to regard me some nefarious hoaxer out to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes.

    And your constant pushiness is borderline stalking. This has been ongoing for some time now. I’m done with this. When you brush me off as a hoaxer, spare a moment to consider how you have conducted yourself throughout this, because it hasn’t been conducive to me feeling that I would be fairly represented – besides which, I do not even want to be represented. Find someone else to fulfill your quest.

  16. Robert Miller says:

    FWIW – I too would say that Darryl’s experiments are as genuine as can be expected and I have know Darryl for now on 25 years.

    From both his current writing and outpouring of thought I think he is generally concerned with truth and reality ( albeit coming to rather odd conclusions 😉 )

    I think there is a very apt Biblical quote

    Luke 16:30-31

    ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
    He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’

    For some people, the dead rising, the lame leaping, and the blind seeing is just not enough …… more proof, more proof

    That is, I hope, a good analogy on many levels

    Right-o

    Nuff said

  17. ergaister says:

    “1 million dollars” doesn’t mean someone moves something with TK and Randy says: “Congrats, you’re the winner, here, let me put one million $1 bank notes in your hands”.

    Nothing like that.

    There are strings attached.

    The 9th rule of the challenge says: “One million dollars in negotiable bonds”

    That’s crap.

    Just the word “negotiable” gives him the ability to do things like selecting $1 million of junk bonds that by the time they can be converted into cash aren’t worth a fraction of the original value.

  18. Jason says:

    just one thing is pretty sure – if i had some powers, i would just show them and prove them. there are many skeptics organizations offering different amounts of money to collect. but guys with just a power to spread bullshit around them find always one or another excuse to avoid ANY challenge.

  19. Jason says:

    PS! i forgot to mention, that so the money IS important? i have heard, that those powers are not meant to show for money and people who gain those powers really don’t even care of money etc.

  20. craigweiler says:

    I just found this site and I thought I would weigh in. I have spent a great deal of time researching parapsychological research, which is quite extensive in the area of telekinesis and I’ve also investigated Randi’s challenge.

    To put it simply, even if the money part is valid, the challenge is a publicity stunt, not a true test of psychic ability. Here’s the link to my analysis:
    http://weilerpsiblog.wordpress.com/randis-million-dollar-challenge/
    The article points to other links as well.

    There is a $100,000 challenge to anyone who can prove that Randi’s challenge is valid and another $1,000,000 dollar skeptics challenge to anyone who can disprove the evidence for the afterlife. So if you’re a skeptic, you’ve got your work cut out for you.

    As for telekinesis, this is a done deal. It’s been proven beyond any reasonable doubt and all that remains is for the rest of the scientific community to actually look at the data, which they currently ignore. Here are a couple of links to scientific studies:
    http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/publications.html
    http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/

    If you disagree with this data fine, all you have to do is publish your counterarguments in a refereed scientific journal where the authors of the studies have an opportunity to contest your comments. To date, the data has withstood all such attacks, which have been numerous.

    The reasons for the science community ignoring this are complicated, but you can read about it in the book “The Trickster and the Paranormal” by George Hansen.

    Randi of course, simply dismisses all this science with a wave of his hand. He is also a global warming denier. There is no reason to take him seriously.

  21. Darryl Sloan says:

    Brilliant essay on James Randi, Craig. Thanks for sharing.

  22. craigweiler says:

    Glad to be of assistance Darryl. I enjoy researching this stuff, including skeptics and while I have a lot of information on my blog, I would welcome any direct inquiries if you need some specific information for your blog. Personally, I don’t do experiments, but I’m aware of how they’re done and a lot of the theory behind it. I’d be happy to share if you’re interested. mail: craig @ weiler (dot) com (no spaces)
    Sincerely,
    Craig

  23. Jared says:

    Hm. It seems like I’m a late addition to this party, but let me try and set things straight for the passing reader.

    Jason,
    I’m going to try to be as frank as possible. Most people would try to disprove a theory by supporting a parallel theory that contradicts the one they believe is trash. However, you do not seem to be doing that. I also know what you are thinking as you read this: *”There is no parallel theory.”* And that is precisely why you cannot win this arguement. All that there is in this world about telekinesis is proof of it, and lacktherof. That is kind of why the Big Bang theory was accepted: because we noticed that galaxies were expanding away from a point. Is there a counter theory? Back when they noticed it, there wasn’t. There were only the scientists that noticed and accepted the truth, and the losers who didn’t. There are some holes in my analogy, I will admit, but I hope my point stands. There is no proof against telekinesis.
    So I want you to google “telekinesis.” Research it, do whatever. And when you see all that is up there, the huge collection of demonstrations, even those that are hoaxes, do not come back and say that they all do not account for anything.
    I personally believe every word Darryl says. Why? For the simple reason that he isn’t trying to currupt the group of people that listen to him (or, if he is, he is doing a terrible job at it 😉 ). Also, I have tried telekinesis, and have accomplished it to a certain level.

    P.S: You’ve seen ten confident psychics? I wonder how many of them made something move, and you declared it fraud? Or, how many were one of your friends wearing a false moustache? Ah, possibilities.

  24. Manasseh says:

    Ive been practicing telekinesis for about two months now and it seems to me that when i use it, it feels like somthing is pulling me back and making it harder for me to consentrated.

  25. unlock says:

    ^ your 100% right, thats how it was with me and trying me remote visions i would have random premonitions but i could at times vision very blurry the little specks on the tv, if you meditate first and once you begin to see your aura around you and the atom molecules drift away like waves it shows how strong you are if you have none means you need to meditate. once you meditate usually the thing that makes it harder for you or it takes to to a small edge and you fall back its usually negative enites. try to repeat positive mantras and once you begin to see the colors of the energies around you if you see any “being” enity then its one of two things either your guide or harmful influences that have crept into your subconscious pulling you back or playing tricks with you

  26. unlock says:

    that should prove all the non believers 100% wrong, definatly blinded by emotions or too over emotional or sensitive you can get in contact with your inner power

  27. Jacob says:

    Well, I am an undecided. I googled looking for answers to this question. After listening to this, the first thing I notice is that extremely little of this 10 minute video says anything concrete. Almost nothing. I heard a bunch of reasons why the foundation might have rigged the test for failure, might not be trust worthy, etc, but I can make conjectures all day and it would be just as valid as yours. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I am quite receptive to this because if there was any chance I thought it can work, I’d be the first to try to pick it up myself. Why don’t you take the challenge, and then note down specifically why your unable to attain the prize. Saying what the foundation DOES to cause this failure rate means something, more than saying what they MIGHT have done.

    Now there is a phenomenon that is much more well noted than anything ‘paranormal’, which is people believing what they want to believe. If I spend several hours a day meditating, I believe abnormal things will happen one way or another. A lot of that might be my mind playing tricks on me, or it might be an illusion created by my mind, or it might be another phenomenon created by the ‘training’ that is completely unrelated. The mind plays tricks when its unprovoked, I can only imagine what happens if you try your hardest to elicit a reaction.

    What I just said was not concrete, but it is just as possible and more believable to me because I have experienced what I mentioned more than anything paranormal. There will almost certainly be opposition to opposing common belief – its been that way since the beginning of man. However, if someone stepped up and said undeniably ‘I can perform telekinesis’, and did a few tests to prove it, do you think people will completely disregard the evidence? Also, do you think demanding such a high level of proof is unjustified? Even if there are genuine psychics, there is certainly 10 con artists for every real one. They can be so convincing that they can fly in broad daylight, and if we didn’t know better, we wouldn’t know how.

    I think the level of receptivity to this idea that you ask for is unreasonable. How many times has a genuine psychic tried to prove this ability and created documented evidence? Why is it that there seems to always be an excuse for not agreeing to testing conditions? Everything physical can be proven, that’s undeniable. Some things are harder than others to prove, but telekinesis involves moving objects, so it can be proven. It can be observed, and documented, and analyzed, but little of that has happened to my knowledge. Why?

    The main argument seems to be that proving it will never work so why bother. If you go in the middle of a mob of country hicks and you start performing paranormal powers, your absolutely right about what would happen. However, you cannot tell me that the entire scientific community disbelieves you because of their own bias. The entire scientific community created tests that are impossible to pass. There is no evidence because every person with powers is just too righteous to agree to prove themselves.

    Please explain this to me. I think that progress can be made in an honest discussion.

  28. Jacob says:

    To clarify, yes there is a lot of demonstrations out there. The problem is that none of them can be reasonably believed. Even I know how to edit a video to make it seem like telekinesis is occurring, and I have no professional experience. People performing right in front of your eyes? Not even that proves it, because there are easy ways to trick the eyes. That is why magicians exist, and they do a great job at it. The only way to prove this would be to have a controlled experiment performed with credible sources to back up the integrity of the evidence. Why? Because any claim has as much validity as another. Getting proof is not hard.

    I fart purple bubbles and make things turn to gold by touch. Can’t disprove it, and it has just as much weight as this whole telekinesis argument. All I need is a name and a market, and its gold. If someone asks me to prove it, I’ll attack his image, make excuses, or say I don’t feel the need to. Anyone who disbelieves me is obviously flawed in his reasoning somehow, must be a skeptic. Must not want to believe.

  29. Darryl says:

    Hi, Jacob.

    I appreciate your attitude very much. I would like to say that I’m not entirely satisfied with the ranting tone in which I made this video. Since then, I’ve made a better one, which I think might help you understand my stance on this issue better (see below). I do hope you give PK a series try. It’s worth it.

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