Best defence against overbearing Christians

There is a straightforward solution to dealing with overbearing Christians who demand you give account of why you refuse to believe. Simply turn their every question back on them by asking “Why?” and “How?” This will pull the foundation of their beliefs into the light and expose its true nature …

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10 thoughts on “Best defence against overbearing Christians

  1. Rob Miller says:

    Darryl,

    Again you are posting challenges that really seem like straw men to me. I trust and hope that you don’t believe all people who have a belief be it in any faith or none are walking around in a trance. I would say that your story of strong foundations has a similar feel to a teacher who taught some time ago, so certainly challenge the ideas of a person’s faith foundations, but do not think that they need “awakened” as you have been.

    That is the beauty of humanity – diversity, different experiences, different attitudes, different nationalities – but at the core there is a hunger for significance, a need to find meaning, a desire to find a sense of purpose that is fulfilling and liberating.

    Now, I’m sure I’ve said this in the past, but the aspects of Christianity that seem to be most important are things like renewing, refreshing, fulfilment, abundant life. Further would be a sense of the world that is turned upside down where it is the poor, meek, humble, hungry and peacemakers that will be at the forefront of this renewal. Lastly, the call to service, to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the prisoner, care for the sick, all worthwhile in and of themselves but as we image God, that is what God looks like on this earth – hungry, naked, shackled and sick – is that the image of the Christian God in your mind?

    As to historicity – I’m sure it’s valid to question the historical method – but at what point do you figure from this point onward history is reliable?

  2. Darryl Sloan says:

    Hi, Robert.

    “but do not think that they need “awakened” as you have been.”

    The funny thing is, they all think I need awakened, so please do not criticise me for simply thinking I’ve got something to say that tells a deeper truth, because all of you think the very same thing about yourselves.

    The difference with me is that I will not become a tyrannical bully about the issue (nor are you, by the way). I know how to state my case and give the hearer freedom to make his mind up.

    “the call to service, to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the prisoner, care for the sick, all worthwhile in and of themselves but as we image God, that is what God looks like on this earth – hungry, naked, shackled and sick – is that the image of the Christian God in your mind?”

    This is well said, but my question to you then is why does it always go so, so wrong? Why do I have to deal with tyrants and despots and people who believe they should lord it over me, and impose their will on everyone else regardless of any kind of respect of fair play? Why do Christians turn into the most crass kind of fearmongers? Can you not see why I find nothing to like about your religion?

  3. Robert Miller says:

    You know – I hope – I am not criticising you. But let me ask you a question, that I trust will not become circular 😉

    You will agree will you not that hunger, poverty, sickness, injustice, are somewhat rampant in the world? What do you think when you see these discrepancies in the world? What motivates your response to these problems?

    I would suggest that God is revealed in those people more than down your local church congregation, and it is as we seek to overcome these injustices, to stand in solidarity with those that are, to coin a phrase, “broken, busted and disgusted” that God is revealed.

    I don’t think that this is “religion” it is solidarity with those who need a voice, who need an advocate, who need something to break the cycle they are in.

  4. Robert Miller says:

    “my question to you then is why does it always go so, so wrong?”

    I think we have problem with where the emphasis in our faith needs to be. A balance in what is important needs to be achieved. Why does it go wrong, because we are a very minute part of a vastly larger universe with an inflated idea of our own self-importance and self-righteousness.

    “Why do I have to deal with tyrants and despots and people who believe they should lord it over me, and impose their will on everyone else regardless of any kind of respect of fair play?”

    Why indeed – that’s what my faith seeks to overcome – it’s the oppressed and downtrodden who will be lifted up and set free – hope you ain’t feeling like that though 😉

    “Why do Christians turn into the most crass kind of fearmongers?”

    That I cannot answer because I do not experience this as an issue at present – sure there are problems, but that will happen in any given situation when people meet, talk and interact together in general.

    “Can you not see why I find nothing to like about your religion?”

    Sure, but I am trusting that my raison d’etre extends well beyond religion

  5. Darryl Sloan says:

    “You know – I hope – I am not criticising you.”

    I know. I have never felt attacked by you, in our various exchanges. And I hope you realise that in making this video, I’m not saying that all Christians are tyrannical despots.

    “You will agree will you not that hunger, poverty, sickness, injustice, are somewhat rampant in the world? What do you think when you see these discrepancies in the world? What motivates your response to these problems?”

    I’m not sure what you’re asking. I agree with you that these things are rampant. I see the root cause of these things as simply nature being what it is: adversarial. Organisms survive by taking what others have, and gaining energy at the expense of another. This may sound brutal, and may sound at odds with the big thing I have about oneness, but this is a real, undeniable observation about all of nature. An animal dies so you can eat; a tree falls so you can have a roof over your head, etc.

    What motivates my response? I don’t have much of a response, and that’s just me being honest. I won’t indulge in any pretense of sainthood. Like most people, I care about those in my vicinity, and don’t attempt to carry the whole world on my shoulders.

    “I would suggest that God is revealed in those people more than down your local church congregation, and it is as we seek to overcome these injustices, to stand in solidarity with those that are, to coin a phrase, “broken, busted and disgusted” that God is revealed.”

    I don’t get it, Rob. I can’t make sense of what you just said. And I’m at a loss about what you’re hoping to convey to me.

  6. Robert Miller says:

    “I see the root cause of these things as simply nature being what it is: adversarial. Organisms survive by taking what others have, and gaining energy at the expense of another. This may sound brutal, and may sound at odds with the big thing I have about oneness, but this is a real, undeniable observation about all of nature. An animal dies so you can eat; a tree falls so you can have a roof over your head, etc.”

    I would see that these are problems that should not be present in the world, for instance hunger, poverty, and certain illnesses are man created problems. The world has plenty of food to go around, we have a lot of resources that can be harnessed to benefit us all, children should not be dying through want of cheap medicine.

    Sorry, if I am sounding vague, I am bouncing ideas of you at present, I don’t know where they’ll go, but let’s see eh! 😀

  7. Robert Miller says:

    P.S. I am going to grow a Hitler Moustache just for you, but only if you promise to wear a turquoise shell suit in your next vlog!

  8. Darryl Sloan says:

    I would love a poverty-free world as much as anyone, but I think the problem of why we have poverty is rooted in something very deep, much deeper than a problem within mankind, such as a “sinful nature.” It is something to do with the whole of nature. Animals, plants, planets, galaxies. To get to the root of the issue, you need to think about “energy” and how we relate to it.

    Survival in the natural world requires the constant replenishment of energy from outside of oneself. Aspects of that energy are freely given, such as the sun and rain. But even this abundance is not without cost. Every drop of water you drink from a river diminishes the river. Every ray of sunlight that supplies you with vitamin D takes from the sun.

    Here on earth we (and the animals) live in an environment that you might call an energy deficit. This causes everything to operate in survival mode. Animals kill lesser animals to absorb their evergy and replenish themselves. Even some plants, like the Venus fly trap, kill insects. Likewise humans to the same. This is why I say nature is adversarial. We’re all energy thieves, and it can’t be any other way, else we go extinct. Seeing everything as oneness, I look upon it all as one big complex dance of energy, and I don’t enter into too much judgement about it.

    But I hope you can get an inkling about how the awareness of this energy defecit can cause people to be so obsessed with survival that they take it to extremes. We hoard because we’re afraid, and others go without because some of us are too greedy, too insecure.

    I think there are basically two stances you can take: one is that long, long ago, something went seriously wrong with the planet that caused things to be as they are now – that there wasn’t supposed to be this energy deficit originally. And so you have your Garden of Eden, fall of man, etc.

    Or … you can say that the world is exactly how it’s supposed to be and you can accept the adversarial nature of life without complaint, pretense, or judgement.

    I haven’t completely made my mind up, but I tend to favour the latter. The great balancing factor within me is that I can see the oneness behind the duality and I can laugh about the place of my own ego within this structure. That tends to keep my greed in check, regardless of whatever position I gravitite to.

    Anyway, hope that’s some food for thought. 🙂 I guess what I’m saying is, humans are not the root of the problem. Nature itself is.

  9. Darryl Sloan says:

    “P.S. I am going to grow a Hitler Moustache just for you, but only if you promise to wear a turquoise shell suit in your next vlog!”

    That I would like to see. Be careful what you promise. I may just have to look deep in my wardrobe for clothing circa 1990. I throw very little out. Moahahahhhh. 🙂

  10. Kal says:

    I share your viewpoint that we are all one consciousness, more specifically we are all one unconscious, or subconscious or something. The conscious mind seems to be what separates us from other beings. Subconscious seems to be getting a little closer to full connection. And maybe another deeper level, the unconscious is where we are all the same entity. Conscious mind connected to that, making us essentially the same entity but with “minds of our own”. I haven’t really developed this idea a whole lot, just been thinking about it a little bit. But, if that is the case, that we are in one way or another, a singular consciousness, then I wouldn’t call this an energy deficit. I like to think that we are borrowing energy from ourselves, just a different part of ourselves. I think of the fabric of space/time also being interwoven with a type of consciousness. Not a rational, decision-making, caring consciousness, but more like a computer that just does what it does. Holds all things together, keeps things from collapsing into themselves, makes my heart beat when coming out of the womb(this is subconscious though, way smarter than my conscious mind.) If the higher consciousness wasn’t present, I can’t imagine that I would know how to breath, or that cells would behave at all. A unifying field of consciousness makes sense to me because if you break down everything to what it is, energy, you are left with the question of why is this single entity behaving differently in different densities and different molecular structures. Its like this “matrix” of space time knows what it should be doing to support life in this universe. A single entity creating different entities out of its self must be a conscious organism.(only thing that makes sense to me). I also find it remarkable that we can do so much using the basic elements(legos) that we have. If something created this universe through intention, it was pretty darn smart to foresee that we would someday be smart enough to combine these elements in such specific ways as to create televisions, computers, medicine, and to apply such useful phenomena as fire, air conditioning, and microwave cookers. It’s like this thing that some of us may call God, knows literally everything there is to know. Your video explaining time as the flow of information through a single instant, not actually time but the flow of infinite consciousness through time, fits pretty well with the idea that a higher consciousness exists, that knows every piece of information that will ever flow through this single moment. So ya, when I eat a vegetable, or some meat, I tend to think of it as I am eating myself, I am doing myself a favor. I dont think death is as bad a thing as people tend to think. I don’t even really think of death as death. There is no such thing as death.
    Sorry for the sloppy and unorganized comment, its late and im pretty tired. Just wanted to get some thoughts out there. Cheers everybody!

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